Bad news for those who worked for paper ballot law in North Carolina

The mad rush to experiment with Instant runoff voting in North Carolina has created some very bad news for the supporters of NC's paper ballot law.

Anything goes in North Carolina, or Welcome back Diebold and gang.

Thursday the House Election Law Committee passed the bill SB 1263 which extended the IRV pilot program for 3 years. It goes to the House Judiciary I committee next Tuesday.

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The experiments would even be allowed in November, where IRV voting could appear on a ballot that also has regular voting on it, which will confuse voters. This is what happened in Scotland when they switched to STV, a form of ranking ballots similar to IRV. Scotland combined IRV voting with regular voting in 2007 and spoiled 100,000 votes.

If there is no intervention, then we can only sit back and watch North Carolina election law be weakened little by little.

Why would an extended IRV Pilot hurt verified voting, or hurt our Public Confidence in Elections Law?

Because lawmakers are pressed to make it easy for cities/counties to experiment with an "automated" IRV, and that means:

Allowing the use of uncertified software in touchscreen counties, because it is nearly impossible to count IRV on the flimsy unreliable paper trail. This incentivizes the use of touch screen machines in an unsafe way and creates a new market for touch screens just as we were making them obsolete.

Not requiring Boards of Elections to report all raw vote data - undervotes, overvotes, exhausted ballots and eligible ballots -as is done in other IRV jurisdictions. The raw vote data gives citizens some help in checking the vote totals and counts.

Not requiring same standards for IRV ballots that are required for regular ballots, like having all ballots counted where cast (if cast at the polls, counted at the polls). This means a lack of equal protection for the different votes.

Less accountability and protection for IRV ballots. No software available to report IRV results on election night, but as far as our BoE is concerned, these 2nd and 3rd choices votes don't exist unless there is a runoff, so don't need to be accounted for or protected in the same manner as regular ballots. In other words, less protection for those 2nd and 3rd choices.

Current audit law will not be sufficient for IRV ballots - with IRV ballots - each round must be 100% correct in order for the next round to be correct. That means virtually a complete recount of each of 1st and 2nd rounds.

"Paper Trail" on DRE/touchscreens becomes irrelevent, it is so difficult to audit or recount for an IRV ballot, especially the early voted ballot - that using the paper for any purpose becomes so prohibitive and nearly undoable that it will be phased out. This incentivizes the spread of touchscreens just when we were making them obsolete.

Allowing uncertified software - why is this bad?

If we allow uncertified software then we lose important quality control and fraud controls:

We can't legally bind the vendor from installing uncertified software if we break our own law. If a vendor wants to install "special" software just before an election, and pretend it is just doing maintenance then how can we stop them?

We void the vendor's requirement to post bond if we are breaking our own law. The bond is to protect us if something the vendor does causes an election meltdown as happened in Carteret County in 2004. Since we would voluntarily be doing things that we argued could cause risk to our votes, then we could no longer blame the vendor for computer malfunctions or fraud. We know that iVotronics are vulnerable to viruses.

If we break our own law, then we can no longer charge the vendor with criminal and civil penalties if they break it. If we break our own law, then my lawsuits against Diebold were for nothing - anything goes in North Carolina, so welcome back Diebold.

We made it illegal to use or install uncertified software, and created civil and criminal penalties against doing so because the software affects how votes are counted or not counted. Diebold was caught installing uncertified software on California machines and later it was found that they never applied for federal certification for that software. It has been noted that Diebold installed uncertified software in Georgia prior to the 2002 election (Rob Georgia Files/Mac Clelland lost). ES&S was caught installing uncertified software and lying about it in Indiana in 2004.

December 2003 California. Secretary of State discovers that Diebold installed uncertified software throughoutCalifornia before the recall election, without informing county officials."An audit of Diebold Election Systems voting machines in California has revealed that the company installed uncertified software in all 17 counties that use its electronic voting equipment. ... Diebold admitted wrongdoing Tuesday at a meeting of the state's Voting Systems Panel."December 2003 Bev Harris found that Diebold software had been written by a convicted felon who had embezzled from his employer using computers.

E-Voting Undermined by Sloppiness. Wired News. December 17. 2003. By Kim Zetter

Job at Diebold Subsidiary. Wired News. December 17, 2003. by AP.

March 2004 Indiana – four counties. It was discovered that ES&S had installed an uncertified version of firmware in the iVotronics in four counties. When confronted, representatives agreed to reinstall the certified version. Then it was determined that the certified version doesn't tabulate the votes correctly, so the county allowed the use of the uncertified version but required ES&S to put up a $10 Million bond to insure against problems and lawsuits. Excerpts from a WISH TV story:

Election Commission Bails Out Voting Machine Maker In Time for May Primary. March 11, 2004;

You only need to see Voters Unite's database of election problems to see the problems with voting machine software.

MaxTheDog2's picture

Being Screw at the Polls again with the Computer Voting Machines

I have pass this on to this group and your post....Excellent research!

http://www.voterescue.org/

I confess to not having a preference in the IRV fight.

I'm willing to see experiments, and listen to "wisdom" on both sides of that.

But at this point, and with this particular upcoming election, paper ballots are crucial.

Can we, instead, start talking about "for the good of North Carolina?" --Leslie H.
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zabouti's picture

Could someone please explain something to me?

Why does IRV require voting machines? Why can't we just rank our preferences on paper ballots? I just don't get it.

Thanks,

-- ge

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It doesn't require voting machines

for the true story on IRV you can check out: www.fairvote.org

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FairVote doesn't provide the true story on IRV

It's only their perspective.

But here is some information from a civil grand jury that met in California to study IRV and other issues related to elections in San Francisco:

A new report on the conditions of San Francisco's elections dept as just released on July 3, 2008. That report also noted several problems with their IRV program after 4 years of doing IRV:

-their new Sequoia machines for RCV still haven't been certified by the state (not federally certified either)
-they need a contingency plan for counting the RCV ballots if the new machines aren't certified in time for the election,
-and they need more "public outreach" (voter ed) on ranked choice voting.

This is partly because there is no federally certified software yet. San Francisco is following California law that voting systems have to be federally certified.

...Another problem, according to the report, is the lack of certification by the California Secretary of State of San Francisco's new Sequoia voting machines for ranked-choice voting, instituted in 2002 for elections to some city offices in order to avoid runoff elections. State certification was still pending at the time of the report.

With a high voter turnout expected for November's presidential election, the Elections Department needs a contingency plan, an alternative method of counting ranked-choice ballots, in place in case the Sequoia machines are not certified by the election, the report concluded.

The report also said additional public outreach efforts are needed on voter registration requirements, ranked-choice voting and absentee voting.

The full report can be viewed at http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/courts/divisions/Civil_Grand_Jur...
http://cbs5.com/localwire/22.0.html?type=bcn&item=SF-ELECTIONS-REPORT-baglm

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Thanks for having a backbone, zabouti. :-D

Can we, instead, start talking about "for the good of North Carolina?" --Leslie H.
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officials want IRV automated and will get it

IRV can be counted by hand, but with our complex ballots, its very hard to do. I believe that if we don't have federally tested and certified voting systems, we SHOULD count the ballots by hand.

You see, IRV is not additive.

There is no such thing as a "subtotal" in IRV. In IRV every single vote may have to be sent individually to the central agency (1,000,000·N numbers, i.e. 1000 times more communication). If the central agency then computes the winner, and then some location sends a correction, that may require redoing almost the whole computation over again. There could easily be 100 such corrections and so you'd have to redo everything 100 times. Combine this scenario with a near-tie and legal and extra-legal battle like in Bush-Gore Florida 2000 over the validity of every vote, and this adds up to a complete nightmare for the election administrators.

IRV is being touted to lawmakers as a cost and labor saver, and is very difficult to count by hand, so it is election officials and also IRV proponents who will push for automation, regardless. For the 2007 experiment, the NC State Board of Elections had set up an uncertified and likely illegal work around for Hendersonville to use on their touch-screen machines.

In 2003-2004, Fair Vote, the national organization that promotes IRV - harshly criticized San Francisco's election director for not choosing touchscreens to count their IRV elections.

See All for Instant runoff: How San Francisco almost got all touch screen voting This is an example of how the push for IRV created incentive to use the least secure voting system, brought criticism against the safer optical scanners and fought against spending alot on voter education. Because efforts to implement IRV were too slow, getting the voting system approved and developing a plan took too long, advocates filed a lawsuit against the city. This information is from Fair Vote's website.

Pierce County Washington just approved uncertified voting systems in May 08 because they were not willing to count the ballots by hand. They said:
they tried hand-counting just 14 RCV ballots with seven ranked contests and found that it was “horrendous.” Using software to tally this sort of balloting was absolutely essential.

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