Dear Bev

Forget about it James. The entire Democratic Party is once again running to the middle and we have no choice but to grimace and bear it. They are weak, either in their willingness to stand up for what they believe in or in what they believe. Obama has gone to the middle, Perdue, Hagan, all of them. I thought this was going to be a change election, but the only thing that has changed is the names. So, I'll be voting and hoping that they are just doing what it takes to win. In the end, I would rather have a closet-liberal in the Governor's mansion than a Republican or a Libertarian.

Well actually it would be "poor brown people" (aren't we all more or less some shade of brown?) that entered the country illegally with their parents. And it's just until they study the issue and issue a policy, not permenantly. It's not quite as grave as you make it seem and there are certain realities one must accept. One of them is that the issue of illegal immigration is a mine field for Democrats. Republicans will exploit anything they can in that regard and the majority of voters will side with them on the issue if a Democrat appears to be "opening the floodgates." It's just a political fact. What percent of the voters in NC self identify themselves as "Progressive Democrats"? How many will take your position and leave Purdue?

No voting for Munger or others that buy booths from AFP and line up with the Puppetshow.

The Libertarian Party was out in full force at the American's for Prosperity "Take Back Our State" rally at the legislature this year.

Jerimee provided the photos in a blog report here (can't find the link at the moment).

In the line of booths and tents right beside all of the Pope organizations, there was Libertarian tent with plenty of Munger signs, followed by a John McCain tent.

Libertarian Chair Barbara Howe even shared the stage with Bob Dole and Dallas Woodhouse at WhackoFest on the Halifax Mall.

Munger? Hell no.

Nor was it difficult for Bev to flip on drilling.

Bru'

It is your choice to vote for whomever you choose so if you wish to vote for Mccrory, Munger or leave it blank you may have your pleasure. But your diary is a diatribe either calling our Lt. Gov. racist or bowing to racist, I am not sure.

To begin the Lt Gov stated early that she opposed allowing illegals to attend our institution and she agreed with AG Cooper on his decision. She has said all along she would vote to continue the ban, but this morning I on the radio from her spokesman that she only had one vote, and she doubted she had the votes to keep the ban in place, however something happened to have 10 others vote her way, if you wish to blame someone I would try to find out which one of those other 10 changed there mind and why.

Personally I agree with the decision to continue the ban until our legislature figures out how they wish to procede on this issue.

Also this is not about "Brown people" this is about the law. These folks are criminals they sould not be here, we can not throw them out, it is not practical, but those spots should go to those who follow the law. And when it comes to immigration, not all illegals are "brown" and not all "brown people" are illegal. Most if not all of the Hispanics I know, work with, attend Church with and other forms of life all came to this county the leagal way, or were born here as citizens. They are every bit of Americans as any other one who have the same claim. And the problem with illegals are not just coming from Mexico. They include Asians, Europeans, and Africans of all race and color. Even those who are Presbyterians from Northern Ireland as my family roots are, should be subject to the same rules, it is you who declare this a "brown" issue.

Myrick rival rips college fund bill

Democrat Taylor says her plan to target illegal immigrants just ‘divisive rhetoric.'

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/421/story/128416.html

Maybe the Perdue campaign is taking a page from the Bob Orr playbook. Whenever we ignored Bob for too long during his goober campaign, he'd poke me, looking for some hard-edged criticism. Being shunned by flaming liberals was nothing but gravy for the good judge.

Maybe by distancing herself from progressive ideals, the LG is building her street cred with mainstream xenophobes, you know, the ones always asking what part of illegal you don't understand.

From the chatter on the Tubes, it seems to be working.

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Taylor calls Myrick 'hypocrite'
fordonez@charlotteobserver.com
Posted: Friday, Aug. 15, 2008

Congressional candidate Harry Taylor called Sue Myrick “a hypocrite” Friday, accusing her of inflaming voters over immigration without addressing the issue within her own family.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/breaking/story/130667.html

2042 there will not be a white majority. Hispanic population will be at 30% and very young. White population will be old (like many of us are now). Practically speaking, common sense should rule, we have to educate the younger population. Education is the key. I thought we understood that in this state and valued it.

I'm really tired of hearing anything to do with illegal immigrants devolving into an issue against Hispanics. Quite frankly, I'm against illegal immigration. Am I against people wanting to come here? No. Am I against Hispanics? No. I'm against the people who chose to come here be them Canadians, Mexicans, or British for knowingly breaking the law. I think there is a happy medium between open and closed borders.

I agree with Perdue. I think we have an obligation to provide K-12 education to everyone, but it stops there. But I think illegals should be allowed to higher education institutions maintained by the state if they are on track to receiving a visa, green card, other documents, or going through the naturalization process in an effort to establish permanent, legal residency in the United States and North Carolina.

Though I think in the coming years to prevent Hispanics being 30% of the population by the year 2050, you'll start seeing some changes. I think it will be another oppression era that will be driven by racial fear. You'll begin to see more deportations, a wall built at the border, and quotas imposed on legal immigration. Maybe that's just me jumping to a conclusion, but I think it'll happen. Do I support such ideas if they were to happen? No. But I do know what accounts for such population growth and that is poverty and lack of education, both of which are prevalent in the Hispanic and African-American communities at a much higher rate than White and Asian communities. Now yes the community college system should play a hand in that for citizens, but in terms of illegals of any kind that involves the conditions I listed above.

I am correct in saying the predominant "illegal" population is hispanic which is why a discussion about illegal immigrants turns to an issue of hispanics.

My position on illegal immigration is not relevant to the issue on this thread which is education of illegal immigrants. Those illegal immigrants that are hear that have families have "legal, citizen" children in many cases so they are not going to be deported. They are here to stay.

Our basic obligation to education is certainly K-12 but we created publicly-supported community colleges and universities to create an educated work force that can compete in the world. Our tax dollars fund those institutions. We lost many jobs to China over the years and to India, and to compete we need educated workers and K-12 does not cut it. Look at the statistics and see the difference between K-12 versus associate degree versus bachelors degree. The jobs in the future require higher education.

Quotas on legal immigration, yes, I can see that happening. And, yes, I see a clamp down on illegal immigration but I see the ones here staying here.

The population growth is certainly driven by poverty and lack of education so would we not want to address that issue with education which leads you out of poverty?

But we need to bring those illegals out of the shadows and put them on a legal path which will bring more and better opportunity.

I'm sure that it will always be easier to pick out those of ethnic groups other than white, however if you move it away from a racial issue I believe that you'll be able to move a bit quicker and easier to an actual solution to the problem. When you get caught up in a non-issue, you'll quickly forget the real issue. It's like saying the tougher gang laws Gov. Easley signed today unfairly targeted African-Americans.

Glad I live in Mint Hill. hehe

Have you ever heard of a liberal shooting up a church?

I'm not alone in finding this offensive.
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Because the hate-mongering around this issue really has me down.

My advocacy landed me in U.S. News and World Reports. My mom is proud. Here's the paragraph:

Advocates of open access say it's cruel and wrongheaded to deny undocumented students higher education and an opportunity to obtain legal status. They argue that these students would ultimately pay more taxes and make greater contributions as professionals and citizens. Jacqueline, a native of Mexico who has lived in North Carolina since she was 8, says undocumented students like her should not be punished for their parents' actions. "So unless they literally kick me out," the 20-year-old says, referring to the pending decision by the community colleges, "I won't leave." Jacqueline says she wants to become a teacher one day and help immigrants learn English. Graig Meyer, who heads a mentoring program for students in the area and has taken Jacqueline under his wing, says: "We have a huge teacher shortage in the state. And [Jacqueline] is exactly the type of student we should be encouraging to go to school."

Thanks to so many of you for being on the right side of this issue!